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ho chiminh
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Posted - 2007.05.09 19:44:00 -
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I thought that this would probably merit it's own thread. It is actually a continuation of an existing thread.
As per the OP's original question-"What is a dedicated miner to do"?
In North America May 15, 2007 has been declared "no gas day" to protest the ridiculous price of gasoline. Everyone is discouraged to purchase gasoline on that day which is estimated to cost the oil and gas industry about 3 Billion US dollars. I encourage you Euro brothers and sisters to join in as well and teach those *******s a world wide lesson.
A similar protest may be effective in Eve.
I propose that the week of June 1 to June 8 2007, be declared "no mine week". All miners agreeing not to mine for that whole week should have a noticeable impact on the market.
I also propose that a corporation be formed on May 31 2007, to be called "The Mining Corp".
I would ask that all miners quit their current corps and join this new corp for 1 wk only. You can always rejoin your original corp after the week is up.
Any miners not in this corp on June 1 should be immediately war-decced and destroyed.
This should be done in order to force the devs to deal with the issues that miners and industrialists have been pressing for some time.
As PAYING players we expect our concerns to be dealt with seriously and expeditiously. At a minimum we expect devs to be involved and active in the industrial forums.
I don't have the skills or desire to CEO this corp so I hereby nominate the Hulk pilot with the oldest character to accept this responsibilty and lead the industrialist revolution.
As for an activity during our strike week I suggest we roam in frigate blobs and finally deal with Macroer's the way they deserve to be dealt with.
That is what I believe a dedicated miner should do.
I want to thank everyone who posted their thoughts and ideas in this forum.
If CCP decides to ban me....well it's been a slice.
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ho chiminh
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SlackaNova
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Posted - 2007.05.09 20:05:00 -
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My case isn't special.
Miners and industrialists have legitimate complaints that have never been dealt with by CCP.
The best example is jet canning. It's an exploit. CCP acknowledged it a long time ago, but has never instituted a fix, despite several years worth of suggestions from active miners.
There are many threads full of suggestions and wish lists. CCP ignores them all and in fact does not even respond to requests to join the forum discussion.
I don't expect CCP to do "what miners want", but I do expect them to devote resources to fixing exploits and dead end professions.
I'm not posting this as another whiny thread, I am suggesting action. A miner boycott similar to the RL gasoline boycott to make CCP do something-even if it's not what we miners want to be done.
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ho chiminh
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SlackaNova
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Posted - 2007.05.09 20:24:00 -
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You are certainly entitled to your attempt to organize protests by other players. It's not as though you are trying to overburden the servers, and CCP has always backed the use of oog strategies to victory in Eve.
Thanks for your encouragement.
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ho chiminh
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SlackaNova
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Posted - 2007.05.09 20:33:00 -
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In answer to your rhetorical question, you could do what I'm doing: Reskill
Actually, if you were "caught" mining without being a member of the corp, your corp would be war-decced and blobbed by miners in T1 frigates and cruisers.
Think of it as "enforced solidarity". Personally I think Stalin would be proud.
Fortunately it would only be for 1 week.
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ho chiminh
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SlackaNova
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Posted - 2007.05.09 20:59:00 -
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I'd love to see the ability to unionize miners, haulers, crafters, all industry. I mean, EVE is a PVP game right? so Industrialist should be able to fight back with the skills they have.
Actually the ability has been there all along AFAIK. The implementation has been lacking.
That however is not my intent. My intent is to create a short term protest corp in an attempt to cause some short term market havoc, to grab Devs attention and get some clear responses and direction from CCP as to the many requests from miners/industrialists that have gone unanswered.
Again I am not necessarily looking for the Devs to "fall down and fix mining". I'm really just looking for 2-way communucation between GM's and players, and an active interest in fixing existing problems before adding new features.
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ho chiminh
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SlackaNova
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Posted - 2007.05.09 21:16:00 -
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What's wrong with jetcanning? It comes with its own risks to balance the reward of far larger hauls.
I actually agree with your second sentence. However, CCP actually considers it to be an exploit. An exploit that has remained unchanged/unfixed since Beta(please correct me if I'm mistaken-Ho is not that old).
I of course have used jetcanning more than any other mining techniques. It's the most efficient way to mine.
The point of the protest is to encourage CCP to deal with the exploits, and to take seriously and address the issues that industrialists/miners bring to their attention.
Communicating and participating with industrialists/miners in the forums is the first step. Read-only Dev Blogs are not the way too address the issues.
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ho chiminh
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SlackaNova
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Posted - 2007.05.09 21:26:00 -
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You go after miners who dont go with your Miners Union, how long do you think until your war declared by several dozen corp's?
So what? The corp will only exist for 7 or 8 days. Feel free to waste your isk on war decs. All the hulks and T2 stripminers will be docked. Only targets would most likely be T1 Frigs and Cruisers.
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Whats more, how many corperations would be willing to take back their miners who left their corp for a week and started bullying other miners who didnt go along with their idea?
Every corp that doesn't want to pay full market price for their refined mins and ice.
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If you want to change the way the things are done dont go around attacking the players, go after CCP by boycotting them.
In a PVP game, why on earth would I not attack players? The rats sure as hell can't fight back.
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ho chiminh
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SlackaNova
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Posted - 2007.05.09 22:48:00 -
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In the hopes of forestalling the thread being derailed.
It is my intent to organize a short term protest corp to bring attention to miner/industrialist issues within Eve. As a paying player I would like my choice of profession to be acknowledged as equal to the other professions in terms of known issues, exploits and complaints being treated equally in being addressed and in some cases even acknowledged by Devs. Some 2-way communication vis a vis these forums is a good place to start.
For a comprehensive listing of these issues feel free to browse the several hundred other posts in these forums benevolently labeled as "carebear whines". I will not repost them here.
I am willing to work with pretty much anybody to show Eve that miner/industrialists can wield a very big stick.
I will be in game later tonight. Feel free to convo or Eve-mail. I am at GMT-8.
And don't forget to NOT buy gasoline on May 15, 2007.
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ho chiminh
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SlackaNova
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Posted - 2007.05.09 23:55:00 -
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As for the rest of you lot:
I should have known that to try and escape from the real world of negative, *****y, whiney and defeatist slackin' Gen X ****tards for some online fun wasn't gonna happen.
Ashamed of my generation,
Ho
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ho chiminh
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SlackaNova
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Posted - 2007.05.09 23:57:00 -
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That's Canada where Alberta is from.
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ho chiminh
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Posted - 2007.05.10 00:14:00 -
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Macroer's are fairly easy to detect actually. I steal their ore regularly. It is one of the most efficient mining techniques in the game.
What I hope to accomplish is some attention being paid to the industrial aspects of the game.
There are many threads with some fairly innovative and creative ways to improve this aspect of gameplay and to fix current issues. The reason behind the protest is to get CCP to implement some of them. I'm not advocating any specific measure, just for CCP to acknowledge that this side of Eve is necessary and some thought be put into it.
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ho chiminh
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SlackaNova
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Posted - 2007.05.10 01:49:00 -
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Honestly what did you expect? You talk about forcing a protest on anyone who doesnt go with you, a protest that would only last one week in which in actuality the people that would hurt the most are the actual miners who didnt mine. If you want to protest do it yourself peacefully, dont drag us with you.
Actually I expected more support from the mining/industrial community for proposing an action to get Eve's attention. In the longrun I believe that miners will benefit from increased Dev attention. Any pain experienced by individuals or corps is designed to be temporary, and more than alleviated by future gains.
Basically "No Pain - No Gain"
As for "dragging us" - If you don't want to be dragged then choose a single player game. Every one of the several hundred thousand subscribers is currently dragging you along.
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ho chiminh
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SlackaNova
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Posted - 2007.05.10 01:51:00 -
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oh so you are calling us dumb because you cant understand that if an alternative to fuel is not found then people will buy it the next day anyways?
I'm not calling anyone dumb. I apologize for my language. My generation is a pet peeve and an emotional subject for me.
And fuel is not the topic of this thread.
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ho chiminh
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SlackaNova
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Posted - 2007.05.10 18:48:00 -
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Devs, this is stupid, please lock this off topic thread,
Ho
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